In memory of Sabin Adrian Luca
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- Due the fact that Mr.Merlini is believing that the tablets have a very old age (much olders with 2K Years than the real age wich could be in fact)
- Deep inside beeing not sure what is in fact that age
- He is expecting Neolithic and even not think of Bronze age.
- Not know that proto-writing emerged in the world around 3.200 B.C. (Sumer,Egypt,Indus). No single proto-writing before 3,500 in the World!
- His reasearch wich is regarding the signs, is extending at an extremely wide time span and too far back in time. The time spanning / period of time/ timeline from paleolithic to late neolithic. S O R R Y, D E E P L Y W R O N G !
- He did not realise even now, that the Vinca Civilisations stopped at the verge of discovering the writing.
- I mean, out of those singleton tablets ( wich could be made yesterday by one as me, who has elementary knowledge of some dispersed ancient signs) no other writing proove that even proto-writing existed in Vinca-Turdas civilisation.
- So, he is mainly searching in such a big pile of ancient signs as finaly cannot decide, and he DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO CHOOSE.
- Writing developed as a stringent necesity in high developed societies (Sumer, Minoan).."high" I mean really high in respect of every single aspect of economical and social activity. (Remember only the Hamurabi code or minoan streets and houses.) The hearth of writing in Europe was in the Aegean. I wonder wich was the supposed path of "Kadmus road"... probably close to that of commerce. The writing emerged close to places where thousends of tablets were found !
- Nobody knows how cultural transmission happened (by air like flu or how?) Evidences points that Aegean was influenced by sumerians (see papers of Evanghelos Papakitsos and Iannis Kenanidis).Early minoans seem to be native sumerians.
- There were population movements that only now with genetics developements could be traced.
- An "laboratory"-like scientific analysis of the sign is stormed by "Mylady Tartaria" story, otherwise introducing more mistery not scientific needed and beeing your own contribution or production.
UPPER HALF:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets
First, begining from the left, H-like sign https://www.shapeways.com/product/SZMTARPYB/letter-khet-paleo-hebrew-with-chain-loop
The folowing, from https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heeta
From Marco Merlini https://fashiondocbox.com/Jewelry/90885882-Tartaria-and-the-sacred-tablets.html: THE ESOTERIC MESSAGE ON THE DISK-SHAPED TABLET
"A throne that is not a throne....
The (sign)is very frequent and well known, with an assortment of variants, in several inventories of ancient systems of writing. The Mesopotamian examples highlight an implausible correspondence between this Transylvanian sign and the pictogram from Uruk ATU 260 1470 or Jemdet Nasr 1471.Badiny forced the supposed similarities selectin g the Proto-Sumerian pictogram1472. Nonetheless, any correspondence in shape is remote1473. These scholars find equivalence only by maintaining that the Tărtăria sign is damaged in the lower left segmen ts; they reconstruct it arbitrarily in an outline resembling the Proto-Sumerian counterpart. Correspondences in Akkadian cuneiform are not very clear. It is Labat number 436 according to Badiny with sound TUD, DUR meaning ‘settlement foundations’1474. However, it is Labat number 99 with meaning ‘Lord’, ‘God’ with a phonetic value EN according to Kolev1475.The sign resembling a tri-rung lame ladder or a limping chair occurs also in Semitic scripts, in particular in the Phoenician alphabet where a similar sign represents the letter heth (phonetic value h),. Subsequently, it became the Latin H. The occurs also in other ancient Asiatic scripts, as well as in the East Orient systems of writing. In particular, there is a complete graphic convergence with the sign 53 of the Indus script 1476."
Despite : - the large excursus wich is comprising most of the close-shaped ancient signs, - not even noticed exactly HET-letter shape (apropos, H/het/chet has Kh sound as in ger. koCH not H!) -not found the exact construction of the proto-cuneiform sign KU/GA2 wich has also as our sign 3 horiz. bars - for too many signs, not get to a final conclusion and not choosed or found any concrete sign or meaning : (............."In any case, to my thinking it will be productive to explore the possible abstract meanings of the as the opening that introduces the esoteric inscription.")
- if The (sign)is very frequent and well known then why he not "took the bull by the horns" ? (a translated romanian expresion translated < "a lua taurul de coarne>?
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Image from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html KEYTH MASSEY
2-nd "D-shape sign" on the right,
Merlini:"The second sign on the upper left quadrant is a rounded D-shape with a tail," me: no tail, scribe shaking hand. It is exactly ATU 527!
Merlini:"In the Danube civilization, its occurrence is restricted to Tărtăria, and it is not present in other ancient scripts. " Me: Yes,In the Danube civilization, its occurrence is restricted to Tărtăria but is present in other ancient scripts as: sumerian, Anatolian writings and alphabets archaic greek (as for letters D and R), in venetic script, ...I'm not squeezing my memory further.
Merlini:"In the Late Neolithic Vinča C culture, the D is engraved on the forehead of a statuette discovered at Medvednjak (Republic of Serbia)1493. Due to positioning, Winn considers this sign as “symbolic”149
Me: In hundreds of statuettes not on forehead there were not cyclops were exactly in the eyes places. (See my post :"Common... in early writing")More than symbolic, the eye shape is direct related to light through light to deities and sun!
Merlini:"In Akkadian cuneiform, the D is the Labat number 480 with sound DIS, meaning ‘praised one’
Me: yes, but only "one" and not "praised one" because there is no particle there for praise it is only "one" meaning of course the God,praysed-one.Attention, dis much used for numbers; for "one" ment the unique single ONEis +++++ "AS" present on tablet. 1 is "Dis" and "Dili"
Merlini:"At Tărtăria, the tail on the D was incised intentionally. We have to deduce that the ‘scribe’ applied this small auxiliary marker to the root-sign in order to produce a variation to its conceptual meaning or to differentiate some phonetic units of the spoken language. Unfortunately, we are blind concerning the denotation of the D sign and its sound value.
Me: Pitty enough, no sign connection less a given meaning.
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Upper half, right side ; image from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html KEYTH MASSEY
Comb-like sign. Merlini:"As already mentioned in the previous chapter, on the upper right quadrant of the circular tablet, a ligature between the incised on the higher register and the biggest D on the lower register is nonexistent, although common in literature1507"
Me: the ligature exist, but how this can push one to other divergent interpretations remain to be discussed.
....bla bla bla to conclusion:
Merlini:"In conclusion, if the comb-like sign from Tărtăria finds some parallels in the Mesopotamian pictography and in other ancient scripts, the best semiotic correspondences are from other settlements in Transylvania and in Serbia of the subsequent Neolithic Vinča C and Turdaș cultures of the Danube civilization where it is a component of a numeric system"
Me: yes could be numeric as 10+5 or 50 ( deceased female's age), but you only said:" finds some parallels in the Mesopotamian pictography",did not noticed the exact proto-cuneiform sign AS (one,single,unique) ;(not talking of Linear A,B "Te")
-In respect of he said above, no given number meaning
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First "D-sign"
Merlini:"The crescent moon is visible in the shape of a celestial D1522. The variant
is not recorded in the inventory of the signs of the Danube script.It is very similar to the shape individuated by Gh. Lazarovici with code 238f, meaning ‘first quarter of the moon’. The same sign was utilized to render the first crescent in a lunar cycle engraved on a stone around the second part of IV millennium BC at Knowth (Boyne Valley, Ireland)
1523. The graphic concept is similar to that at the base of the ancient form of the Chinese character Yue4, meaning ’moon’. In the beginning, the pictograph was a new moon hanging in the sky. Gradually, a vertical stroke was added inside. I also assume the
a s a symbol for the ‘first quarter of the moon’."
Correct: "At Tărtăria, the tail on the 1-st D seem to be incised intentionally. We have to deduce that the ‘scribe’ applied this small auxiliary marker to the root-sign in order to produce a variation to its conceptual meaning or to differentiate some phonetic units of the spoken language. Unfortunately, we are blind concerning the denotation of the D sign and its sound value.However, the Transylvanian D is the same as the sign of the moon on the Chinese divination bones. Is the rounded D-shape with a tail representing the abstract concept of the Moon (the divinity of the Moon?)"
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Second D-sign
Merlini:"Unfortunately, we are blind concerning the denotation of the D sign and its sound value."
Me:also "unfortunately" you're right; this has gathered top "question marks" number.
Merlini: https://www.academia.edu/9347875/The_Sacred_Cryptograms_from_T%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_Unique_or_Widespread_Signs sign DS 003.0 Me: please you can show from where you took the DS 003.0 ?
Merlini: "The sharp incised on the upper right quadrant finds graphic parallels with ATU 527. As substantiated in the next chapter, if the D is a lunar symbol in several early systems of writing and in rock art, at Tărtăria it stands for the Full Moon as the best suitable moment for human fecundation.
Me: If I am not sure for yours precisely " full Moon" but as I run out of better solution, it could be for Moon .Otherwise I found only exact shape ATU 527 https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/ATU1.pdf but there no indication for sign name nor meaning!) But if there was in the Mrs. Denisse Schmandt Besserat paper in the early token<>signs table in the recipients/jar column and is symilar with later GAR sign and also has an sister singn, egyptian "loaf of bread" I am for GRAIN MEASURE,BREAD more than for "Moon"
I wonder where found Mr. Lazarovici the sign code 238f, in the Danube script.
From http://www.omniglot.com/writing/vinca.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/vinca3.gif (see 1-st on the 6-nth row)
IF HE TOOK THE SIGN FROM TARTARIA TABLET, I AM AFFRAID HE IS TERRIBLE WRONG ! (because still there is the possibility that Tartaria tablets do not pertain to Vinca Culture!) But if took the sign from Vinca eye idols that would be fair and correct.
Also I wonder how and from where he and you deduced to be the sign of the Moon or "first quarter of the moon" out of your thoughtfull supposition. YOU BOTH DID NOT NOTICED, NOR MENTIONED, THAT THIS SIGN IS DEPICTED ON HUNDREDS OF VINCA ARTEFACTS IN THE EYES PLACE. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dLCHHnaFO3HBkcgvh5YsYjbumlc1O-v0IMD1jiviNT6HevatlsKKpxnHv-Eo2Ddd0xOXHQ=s85
Merlini: file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Semiotic_approach_to_the_features_of_the_Danube_S.pdf: " According to the traditional explanation, a Neo-Eneolitic divinity identifier may not be considered writing-although it identifies the essence of a divinity, sinthesises its attributes and posseses/expresses its power- because it not establish a link with verbal communication.Since it does not carry the name of the divinity it is judged do not be a true God/Goddess signature. carry the true name of the divinity but merely a mark wich might be abstract, arbitrary, or sinthetic, but wich does not reflect the phonemes of its name or attributes. A divinity identifier is not written in a linguistic sense"
YES! The above asertion/and situation especially at Vinca Civilisation/6.000 B.C. is that what to be expected .
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a55a/0948a2ad2357c75932aaa153d19838c3bf97.pdf
Me: I wonder myself what could be the meaning to put "Moons" in the eye places? Did not get a spark that the sign could be related as in many world places and writings to GOD and LIGHT !? The top-most importance is the eye-light ,capacity of seeing !... Not to be misunderstood: The sign must not trobles one's mind, not to think to shape D or D-letter shape, think of eyes (in many cases with eyebrows) THE EYE SHAPE WAS USED IN MANY WORLD PROTO-WRITINGS !
e.g. JIAHU
bones http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat2/sub1/entry-5368.html
Me :(1-st row"SUN",2-nd:"Moon", 4-th:"see") From https://www.omniglot.com/chinese/written.htm
see my post: https://wordpress.com/posts/tartariatablets.com Common traits in the very beginning of writing
<< Also some other scientists found that one particular pictogram was used in different places in writing .Quite slightly different in shape. It is about the eye. But every scientist showed mainly symilar eye-shapes for only twoo different places. I discovered that there was an much extended phenomenom. I will show you more than 4-5 places in the world. The explanation I’ve found is the fact that humans have the same physical body, and nervous system (read basic way of thinking).
But there was another pictogram used in the same semantic field, the fish. There is no other simple connection for humans for the idea of light other than eye. Light is entering in us through eyes.Close yes and have no light. Eye-light is kind of short-cut between, eliminating every word or philosophy upon.
It is true, light is coming mainly from Sun, but if you figure sun thinking possible turn in first time to celestial star and the light is only 2-nd, close-associated.
I discovered that it seems that the eye-shape was used for logograms and phonemes for light. I suppose the fish-shape was used for bright-light or “bright,shining”.>>
If hard to associate the sign with a phoneme in the same time we cannot exclude ! When depicted the sign on gods idols, surely they mumbledd/murmured/muttered/whispered/babbled something, but no one know what. But any loss, if one make a guess, in the situation that Danubian at 6.000-4.000 B.C. is expected to be inhabited by Proto-Indo-European speaking people.
The Nostratic Macrofamily: A Study in Distant Linguistic Relationship
Pokorny 1959:183—187 *dei—, *dei a—, *di—, *dia- 'to shine brightly'; Walde ... to light up', 149 *diuios 'heavenly, divine, wonderful, strange', 149 *diéu— 'to .
by chance the Indo-European ultimate root common to LIGHT and GOD seem to be Dy/Di https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/dyew- *dyew-[1]
- 1.to be bright
- 2.sky, heavenbright
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Indo-europ.pdf Proto-IE: *deiw-, *dyew Nostratic etymology:
Meaning: god, heaven
PIE in the Sky: The Proto-Indo-European Root of Zeus http://gorffennol.swansea.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Carys-Mills-PIE-in-the-Sky-the-proto-indo-european-root-of-Zeus.pdf "However, there are some failings to this proposed law, and Sihler
has suggested that it can be more easily explained as an analogical development from
*diw-.
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We can thus be quite certain that the PIE began *dy-."
Turkic - Indian Lexical Parallels in the
Framework of the Nostratic Language's
Macrofamily https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a55a/0948a2ad2357c75932aaa153d19838c3bf97.pdf Sanskrit di- 'light, shine'
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"o o" signs
Merlini: (directly up to conclusions):"In conclusion, the sequence D– D – O –o
incised on the lower register of the upper right quadrant of the Tărtăria tablet seems to indicate the moon according to the following phases: First Quarter Moon, Full Moon, Last Quarter Moon, and New/Black Moon."
Me: Yes could be, but adding with equal-chances the posibilities :
- o o = sumerian 10 10
- two sumerian signs "o" LAGAB(circle) =sumerian 2xLAGAB="o o"="nigin": "encircle,roaming around,full,total,etc.etc....
DOWNWARD LEFT SIDE OF THE TABLET
Image, from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html KEYTH MASSEY
Left side,"Merlini:The stylized bow+arrow sign1346"
Merlini:"The bow+arrow sign finds some parallels with pictography from Uruk and Jemdet Nasr: sign ATU721,, with the sound BA, meaning ‘eye’ and also ‘to see’1352. In Ak kadian cuneiform, it has the sound IGI, meaning ‘eye’, Labat number 449 1353. Vaguer is the resemblance with the sign with sound BA (‘offer’,‘give’), Labat number 5135"
Me: Yes, BA (‘offer’,‘give’). Ba sign is by no way eye, IGI sign is meaning eye.The Ba ("offer etc,) has one shape, and IGI (eye) another shape.. But seeing the position of the arrow related to the cord, the sign is definitely much close to our sign is Ba !! ("offer,give").
Merlini:(conclusion) "These observations, when crossed with the identity of Milady Tărtăria as a magic-religious practitioner, open the possibility that the sign on the tablet symbolizes a communication tool utilizing the image of a hunting weapon. It could depict the dynamic, magical moment/action in which the arrow is shot, and the charm has taken off"
Me: Milady Tărtăria's story is for any help; in my opinion the deceased ~ 5.200 B.C. is not direct related with the tablets (unknown age, but by the writing point of view much newer). No single human made any proto-writing signs before 4.000 B.C. other than pictographic! I feel so sorry and frustated as somebody as top-level scientist, is indirectly recognising that is down, have no drop of energy/resource and signaling that is defeated (by the signs).....
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Signs >> and that-one (Z-like) underneath.
After an excursus of where and in how many instances from paleolithic humans used arrows, he (Merlini) come to conclude:
Merlini"On the circular tablet from Tărtăria, the sign >>represents two arrows in abstract style pursuing the target. It might be indicated by the sign incised below,
, with an unfortunately obscure meaning."
Me: Fortunately noticed the proto-cuneiform RU-sign (close to >>) but not know the meaning, and that there was also an sign >(wich theoretically could be doubled >> as to form plural)
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(Z-like) underneath ("double-cross"-like as named by Mr.Merlini) Image, from KEITH MASSEY http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html
Sign from https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ioannis_Kenanidis2/publication/273885539/figure/fig1/AS:559979480481792@1510520920357/Fig-4-The-sign-forms-for-syllable-pa_Q320.jpg
Merlini:The "sign"does not find parallelism with the Proto-cuneiform pictogram ATU 295, 1397= Jaritz#560 1398. It is just the duplication of the sign ATU 223 = Jaritz #101,
, which indicates a ’branch growingfrom a stem’, and symbolizes ’grow (large), swell up, bud’. However, the is partially present at Jemdet
Nasr as the 90 grades rotated(JN 47). Regularizing and standardizing the Proto-Sumerian pictograms, Zakar believes to have found the Transylvanian sequence also at Jemdet Na sr ( ), and at Knossos (in the form)1399. In Akkadian cuneiform, the double-bar sign has the Labat n umber 295 with phonetic value PA, KUN, meaning ‘branch’, ‘club’, ‘scepter’
1400. Denoting also someone holding these tokens of authority, it acquired the meaning of someone in power1401. However, some convergences are also with Labat number 467: a ‘god’, ‘the hero’1402
Me: The sign is present from Cretan hierogliphyc through Linear A/B as sign PA2, and is also present coincidentaly in sumerian as PA,"branch" but also as "branch,upper part,supervisor,someone in power,etc"
No wonder by my side: no direct sign connection, the sign remain suspended in the thin air of the Vinca civilisation.Mr.Merlini is bounded to the conception that some-how Vincans wrote. Dissapointment, they made big steps but stopped at the point to discover and use proto-writing!
Merlini:"The analysis of the convergences of the
from Tărtăria with early writing systems evidences a common thread from the Danube script to the Aegean writings. The occurrence within inscriptions of the Danube script documents its use on ceremonial objects of the Danube civilization, and its very rare
presence on daily utilitarian articles confirms the magic-religious significance of this sign.
Me:Not given a chance to sumerians, (apropos Ba+Ru=Baru, barupa": "magician" ;also Ba+Ru=Pa). Nor the slightest chance to Cretan hierogliphyc 2200B.C, or Linear A 2.000 B.C. or even for Linear B 1500 B.C. They wrote for nothing. Again, so sorry.
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UNDERSIDE HALF, RIGHT
Those "complex" ideograms on the right side,
The image, from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html KEYTH MASSEY
Left ideogram/logogram
Merlini:"The finds no obvious correspondences in Akkadian cuneiform. It is paralleled with Labat sign n. 353 by Badiny, with phonetic value ŠA, meaning ‘face’, ‘care’ 1415. But it is the Labat sign n. 172, with sound NE and meaning ‘fire’, according to Kolev 1416. As a representation of a fireplace, a similar symbol occurs on an Assyrian relief from the 9
th century BC, or even older. The sign means ‘throne’ or ‘table’ in the inscriptions of the Hieroglyphic Luwian1417. The assumed convergence between the Transylvanian and the, A330 in Linear A, is unconvincing 1418. In this Cretan writing, the correlated sign is the A3 18,1419.To summarize, even if the (sign)is more or less present in different repertories of ancient systems of writing, it is typical of the Danube civilization and finds the best correspondences within the Vinča and Turdaș cultures as elements of the symbolic code1420. It is not a sign of the Danube script.Its naturalistic rendering indicates it as an altar for fire sacrifice, with three columns that seem to designate three tongues of fire. In the present book, Gh. Lazarovici advances the interpretation and
related archaeological evidence that this symbol represents an altar model, an altar for the worship of fire. Analogies with ancient rituals might support this interpretation. Hindu fire worship begins with an off ering to the three tongues of fire that represent the Orient, the Occident and the central place,followed by an invocation to the divinities. In the Manuscripts from Qumran Cave1, 1Q29 1Q is the “Liturgy of the Three Tongues of Fire” 1421
Me: Has simylarities with Cretan hierogliphyc and Linear A&B as showed in my papers.
So you're right It is not a sign of the Danube script .It is of Sumerian/Aegean origin. Closest is proto-cuneiform SA ("sieve") wich was and is my rendering
An altar, yes, but not necessary an altar for fire sacrifice.An altar for burning incences in many rituals.Gr.eskara lat.asa
Right ideogram/logogram
Merlini:THE ORANTE-DANCER The ‘orante-dancer’,(sign 13a and 13b in fi g. VIIC.6b), incised on the right of the and on the edge of the quadrant, occurs only at Tărtăria.
Me: Not like an orante dancer but like a female astral deity! There it is not in upper part the sign UD or PIR "pine" it is udu,utu:SUN" and precisely U:day,SUN
At the base is the sign AB or UNUG :"abode"
So if it is 90% sumerian sign then close to "Sun-shrine/abode" and in our case could be with equal chances also an female astral deity, simylar to TANIT (70% same graphics) and much close than Tanit a deity as ASASARA.
It seems that at minoans and before them, topmost deity in the Balcans was a GODDESS not a God.
See my Cretan hierogliphyc-Linear A,B reading attempt.
Merlini 2011
Eugen Rau 2005 FRIDAY, DECEMBER 30, 2005 OLD EUROPEAN WRITING TARTARIA WRITTEN ROUND TABLET
"sign of SAMAS, Sun-God"
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FOR PUBLIC, INTERESTED VIEWERS:
PROTO CUNEIFORM SUMERIAN SIGNS (Late Uruk) ALL SIGNS ARE PRESENT ON TARTARIA ROUND TABLET
Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs are from from UCLA https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html
(otherwise also look at Mr. Fackelmann sign-list https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/ATU1.pdf )
AB present in the ideogram of Sun-abode=sign of city LARSA
AB
present in ideogram of sun-abode, sign of city LARSA
AMAR (calf)
ARARMA, sign present on emblem of cty Larsa (sun-abode)
ASZ,AS (upper half,right, up)
BA bow-arrow sign
ENSI Lord, (here first sign) present in downward half, left side, most underside
Ga2 ! but there is other sign rotated 90deg,) wich is our sign in upper first from the left
(same as above Gur)
sign GAR read NINDA (portion,cereal,BREAD), possible present as ?close? imitation in D D o o sequence
sign KU (upper half utmost left)
Sign LAGAB "hole,circle" present in D D o o sequence
LAGAB LAGAB (2 times LAGAB=or "2 round circles"="NIGIN" present in D D o o
also NIGIN "whole,total,enclosed,roaming around"... etc etc.
sign LISZ, present in downward left quadrant doubled, as >>
sign MAS present as the cross wich divedes tablet (?remember"twin, kid"?)
sign PA "overseer inspector" on extreme down-leftward sign/quarter
PA3 possible those 2 signs in the quarter mentioned above
same quarter, sign RU ......forgot meaning
sign SUR "rain,flow,press,squeze,warrior,,etc.etc" 2-nd D in the D D o o row
SZA, SA present as such in the downward side, right, 2-nd from right to left.
U4 It is day=SUN! present in LARSA stamp=sun-God abode sign on downward side, first from R to L
sign UDU sheep ?related to the cross wich divides the tablet?
also UDUb
UNUG quite same with AB "house,abode" present in sun-God abode
twoo rounds twooxLAGAB ..number 10 10 =20
also imprinted round :"10"
big D: sign 1 ="dis""dil" or 60 !Sumerians made numbers only by imprinting!!
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html
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