Am obtinut foarte recent, (Aug.2018) o noua si proaspata perspectiva in urma studierii a doua lucrari :
- Iannis Kenanidis si V. Papakitsos "The Eteocretan Inscription from Psichro (Crete) is genuine " https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312038989_The_Eteocretan_Inscription_from_Psychro_Crete_is_Genuine pe de o parte, si a unei alte lucrari,
- autor A.A.Vaiman "On the quasi-sumerian tablets from Tartaria" http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/annotations-of-issues/arheologicheskie-vesti.-spb-1994.-vyp.-3.-annotacii#section-22
- in prima lucrare se incearca cumva "taierea nodului gordian" adica din multe ipoteze privind limba folosita in inscriptiile eteocretane, autorii avansaza ipoteza unui amestec initial de populatii (deci si de limbi), in care un rol primordial l-a avut ( si din a careei limba s-au pastrat carcteristicile), o populatie care a colonizat initial Creta si care era de factura sumeriana.
- Iannis Kenanidis si V. Papakitsos "The Eteocretan Inscription from Psichro (Crete) is genuine " https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312038989_The_Eteocretan_Inscription_from_Psychro_Crete_is_Genuine pe de o parte, si a unei alte lucrari,
- autor A.A.Vaiman "On the quasi-sumerian tablets from Tartaria" http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/annotations-of-issues/arheologicheskie-vesti.-spb-1994.-vyp.-3.-annotacii#section-22
http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/arheologicheskie-vesti/AV_03.pdf/view
http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/arheologicheskie-vesti/AV_03.pdf
Ca elemente de noutate,- in prima lucrare se incearca cumva "taierea nodului gordian" adica din multe ipoteze privind limba folosita in inscriptiile eteocretane, autorii avansaza ipoteza unui amestec initial de populatii (deci si de limbi), in care un rol primordial l-a avut ( si din a careei limba s-au pastrat carcteristicile), o populatie care a colonizat initial Creta si care era de factura sumeriana.
"Thus, to all those
readers interested in the Eteocretan languages
of ancient Crete, a novel approach of
decipherment is presented herein, for the first
time based on the Cretan Protolinear script
theory [12] that suggests the affinity of the
Psychro inscription to the Sumerian dialect of
Crete. It will be demonstrated that the application
of the Sumerian language for this decipherment
provides a coherent and meaningful
interpretation of the text on this inscription."
Din cate am inteles eu, desi limba nu a mai pastrat integral toate carcteristicile limbii sumeriene, in schimb scrisul a functionat ca un gen de constanta, in sensul ca semnificatia ideogramelor a fost retinuta, cunoscuta si pastrata de migrantii sumerieni= minoani, pe tot parcursul timpului (chiar pana inspre era noastra).
"As explained in previous works, the Cretan
Protolinear script was created by the Minoans,
who were Sumerian settlers [12,20,21,22]; the
Cretan Protolinear script in the form of Linear A
and Linear B was used by all the different nations
that inhabited Crete and the Aegean. However,
in the hands of non-Minoans (i.e. Hands of nonSumerians)
the Cretan Protolinear script was
distorted as time passed, and eventually
forgotten, because the script was difficult for nonMinoans
(=non-Sumerians). On the other hand,
in the hands of Minoan Sumerians the Cretan
Protolinear script could not be significantly
distorted or forgotten, no matter how many
generations would pass. This is because the
Cretan Protolinear script (henceforth in this work
referred to simply as “Protolinear”) was phonetic
and pictographic at the same time: every
phonetic (syllabic) sign was a sketch of a readily
recognizable object in the Minoan Sumerian
culture. So, for those who had Minoan Sumerian
as their first language, every syllabic sign had the
native name of the thing that the sign depicted,
and they always knew what the signs depicted.
They could not alter the shape of the signs lest
they would be no more recognizable and if a sign
was not recognizable it could not have a native
(Minoan Sumerian) name, so it could not have a
phonetic value. This is why the Protolinear script
could not be altered in Minoan hands; while for
non-Minoans there was no connection between
depicted object and phonetic use of the
Protolinear signs.Therefore, the Protolinear script survived
unaltered as long as the Minoan nation existed.
And we know that the Minoan Sumerian
language, as other non-Greek languages spoken
in Crete, was spoken not only until 300 BC but
also much later [21], because those populations
were relatively isolated geographically and
socially. "
In legatura cu aceasta lucrare , eu am constatat (si nu am reusit pe moment si rapid sa-mi explic) de ce :
- tablitele pastreaza cumva in opinia mea un caracter dual, respectiv contin semne, si pot fi citite folosind atat scrierea sumeriana cat si separat folosind-o pe cea micaeniana (Linear A). In plus,
- cea rotunda prezinta semne f. apropiate de scrierea arhaica greceasca, mai precis de cea arhaica Cretana.
In legatura cu aceasta lucrare , eu am constatat (si nu am reusit pe moment si rapid sa-mi explic) de ce :
- tablitele pastreaza cumva in opinia mea un caracter dual, respectiv contin semne, si pot fi citite folosind atat scrierea sumeriana cat si separat folosind-o pe cea micaeniana (Linear A). In plus,
- cea rotunda prezinta semne f. apropiate de scrierea arhaica greceasca, mai precis de cea arhaica Cretana.
RELATIV LA CEA DE A 2-a LUCRARE,
- am fost intrigat si m-am necajit cumva ca lucrarea lui Aisik AbramovichVaiman are un parcurs sanatos si plin de chestiuni valoroase, constituind un gen de "concurent" al meu care cumva precede cercetarile mele cu cativa ani ( 1994 a dansului visa ultima editie 2018 ale mele).
-asta pe de o parte; in schimb lucrarea dansului are lacune, (doar jumatate din semne sant interpretate!) pe cand a mea este mai completa ( ex. explic clar si in amanunt, clar absolut toate semnele).
In aceeasi situatie (lucrare incompleta tot numai cu cca. jumatate din semne interpretate) este lucrarea cercetatorului bulgar Rumen Kolev.
"Altogether, sixteen of the eighteen Tartaria signs have been identified with the proto-Sumerian ones. Perhaps in the future it will be possible to find proto-Sumerian prototypes for the two remaining signs as well."
In fond rezultatul conteaza chiar daca este o contributie "colectiva".
In fond posibil Michael Ventris nu obtinea rezultatele de varf daca nu coresponda cu Arthur Evans).
Ce este interesant este faptul ca avem o parere comuna ca cel care a scris tabletele nu a fost un locuitor nativ al Transilvaniei.
Autorul avanseaza ipoteza unei origini si a unui autor de pe teritoriul Irakului (Sumer).
In fond rezultatul conteaza chiar daca este o contributie "colectiva".
In fond posibil Michael Ventris nu obtinea rezultatele de varf daca nu coresponda cu Arthur Evans).
Ce este interesant este faptul ca avem o parere comuna ca cel care a scris tabletele nu a fost un locuitor nativ al Transilvaniei.
Autorul avanseaza ipoteza unei origini si a unui autor de pe teritoriul Irakului (Sumer).
Because the Tartaria signs derive from early proto-Sumerian ones present on tabiets from Uruk layer IV, the Tartaria script apparently emerged in the last quarter of the 4th Millennium ВС. Nothing definite can be said as to where it was invented, but this hardly happened in Transylvania. More likely, its homeland was an area closer to Iraq. Functionally, the tablets were obviously economical documents.
Eu nu exclud nici-o ipoteza, dar dau mai multe sanse unei origini Cicladice-Egeene.
Eu nu exclud nici-o ipoteza, dar dau mai multe sanse unei origini Cicladice-Egeene.
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